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When you don't have a car...

...you have to beg for rides. :(
My first carpool idea for going to San Diego Comicon fell through, as Phil will probably need to work and may not have a lot of time to go.
Still need to ask a few people at work if they don't mind having me around for the trip (if it fits their plans too). The train is not an option, as I have a bit too many boxes to carry.
Unless I take the train, then ask someone who is going to go Thursday to bring me the rest of my boxes
Hmmm.
That could be Plan B.

Ideally, I would like to be there on Wednesday, July 22nd for Preview night, so as to be able to help at the Flight table.
If carpool is possible, I would split the cost for gas plus pay for lunch or dinner (choice of the driver).
Barely two weeks left to make this work. Sounds like plenty of time, but I don't like taking chances at the last minute.



I love Avatar webcomics. There are many out there that are a whole lot of fun to read. Doesn't matter to me on the skill levels of the creators (everyone is at different stages of development or learning in their drawings and writings) as long as the effort, fun and passion of doing it shines through. It then communicates to the reader.
But.
There is one out there.
At first glance, you go "whoah!". That's a whole lot of effort that went into it: all pages fully colored, etc...etc...
I will not comment on the story.
I will not comment the grammar.
I will not give my thoughts on the use of photos for backgrounds.
I will not comment on a lot of things (even those that make me go WTF?), but there is ONE thing I must say:
To anyone doing comics, or learning to do comics, please please please never EVER use so many copy paste images!!!!
I don't care if you resize a detail, I don't care if you just change the expression ever so slighthly to make me believe it is not the exact same image, copy paste abuse will create dead, stiff pages. It takes the reader out of the story as the repetition jumps at them.

I am GLAD this story exists, as Wan Shi Tong so nicely explains:
library tegaki
(tegaki)

I almost fear that it may disappear from the web one day. Someone must save all the pages for posterity. It is unique, in a way that I want to point to people: please, do not make comics this way!
It may go fast, but it is lazy. Lazy lazy lazy.
If I may say one thing: what this artist-author should have done is have only one illustration once in a while to support the text, not full sequential pages.
And someone to spell check the text.

Still, I hope the author-artist will have learned a few things along the way in terms of storytelling.
It can't all have been wasted, right?
Right?

I have saved one page for my own files. I never want to lose that one. It is too perfect in pointing a lot of things that are wrong in terms of a comic page.
http://tinyurl.com/lj5zdl

...
Sorry, I needed to get this off my chest.
I know, I'll end with some more Avatar webcomics you may not have seen yet.

First off, Pink Canoe, by Hot-Choc. All silly, nice and cracky, rough pencils throughout, definitely fun inducing.
http://hot-choc.deviantart.com/art/atla-pink-canoe-1-120837179
There are links to all the other pages on the artist comments.

This very nicely made two pager by CD007
http://cd007.deviantart.com/art/Twilight-of-the-Avatar-pg-1-127673478
http://cd007.deviantart.com/art/Twilight-of-the-Avatar-pg-2-127673144

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gargoylekitty
Jul. 7th, 2009 08:25 am (UTC)
Heh, +/a/ has such a love-hate relationship with this comic(also, second comment in = file of all the pages). I should hope this thing, at least in the Avatar fandom, won't be forgotten(and definitely not repeated).

Edited at 2009-07-07 08:35 am (UTC)
rufftoon
Jul. 7th, 2009 08:43 am (UTC)
Once seen, it is impossible to forget. It brands itself into your brain!
I'll echo you in your wish: never forgotten, but never repeated. Please.
youkaislayer
Jul. 7th, 2009 08:29 am (UTC)
Ah yes, I know of this comic. The one image that is used for the panels works great as a fanart on it's own most of the time but as a comic no. It lacks the dynamic flow that a comic should have and she did cheat on many things by simply just pasting an image onto it. I confess to cheating on some of the backgrounds for my art but when I do I always try to fudge it enough to make it blend in with my own artwork (the watercolor filter is my friend). As for the story itself, the author already has encountered one of my comments at least on her page in regards to that before. Katara is my favorite character and I am quick to critique any oocness of her in fiction especially if it is fiction featuring my own ship. Still I applaud anyone who undertakes the laborious task of making a comic. I lack the stamina to do so. Fanarts take forever for me to do because I have to get the lineart just right and then there is the cell style coloring.
rufftoon
Jul. 7th, 2009 08:42 am (UTC)
I can forgive a lot of things when it comes to backgrounds. If the end results looks good, blends well and seem to belong to the same world (unless it is a specific effect an author wants to achieve), it's all fine with me.
That artist put a some effort into it. She really wanted to tell that story. But...ugh. I'm sorry. In terms of page layout, no amount of pretty coloring within the lines can help.
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ashlan
Jul. 7th, 2009 09:12 am (UTC)
*lurker.*

Love your comic/art stuff when I catch it. Also, if everything falls through I might be able to service as a box-transporter. I'm planning on going to Con on thurs., so.

(Walt Stanchfield panel on thurs. made it my choice day :D)
rufftoon
Jul. 7th, 2009 04:24 pm (UTC)
Thank you very much for your offer, but I do have a few people here at work who can be box transporters. Still very appreciating of you to offer.
I'm still waiting to see the full panel programming. A few more days...
megami_maxwell
Jul. 7th, 2009 10:47 am (UTC)
Oh my god what did I just click on and read. D:

The worst part is, I just finished reading one of the Harlequin romance novel mangas--printed in ungodly "flirty pink ink"--and the few pages I forced myself through on that monstrosity are... worse in ways I don't have words for!

That much copypaste almost makes it seem like they're trying to tell a joke! D: Wh-why would anyone write or draw something like that, much less post it on the Internet...

Recycling pictures in panels is somthing that never made any sense to me. I don't know if you ever read Yami no Matsuei/Descendants of Darkness, but around book six the mangaka started getting sick, and she started cutting corners--and you could see not only the quality drop, but her using the same picture of Tsuzuki like five times in the same issue. He didn't match the line quality of anything else on the page! I wanted to cry. T_T That's something I just... can't brain, not for anything in the world.

I hope you have fun at Comicon when you go! I can't make it this year (again T_T), but my boss'll be in the dealer's hall. XD Have fun there!
rufftoon
Jul. 7th, 2009 04:26 pm (UTC)
Copy pasting in order ti make a joke WOULD work.
But a whole story?
No, over abuse of copy paste doesn't work for long form comics.
Your boss should have brought you along to SDCC.
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rufftoon
Jul. 7th, 2009 04:32 pm (UTC)
Thing is, the author seems to have a basic of drawing skills. If you have that, even just stick figures, it's then no excuse to use copy paste.
Unless all you want to do is go super fast. Quality then drops.
Notice how the author didn't even change Sokka and Zuko's eye direction, even when Aang is at that weird angle. They're still talking to him but looking up at the sky.
Copy paste and not even modifying little things like that.
zfiledh
Jul. 7th, 2009 12:51 pm (UTC)
I've seen that before. The grammar alone made me cringe. Oh, the horror!

My art may be bad, but at least I'm not doing the copy-pasta. :)
rufftoon
Jul. 7th, 2009 04:33 pm (UTC)
My grammar is not the best either- that's why I love it when people catch my mistakes and say how to correct it.
evebolt
Jul. 7th, 2009 01:27 pm (UTC)
Gah! XP
I don't like being able to tell that two panels are the same drawing copy-pasted, but this, a WHOLE page of copy-paste?? A whole comic full of copy-pasted pages?? Brrrrr.

Also, what little of the dialogue I read translated to a big white-hot NO in my brain. Just, no. I can't read that, it does not compute XP

Also, slightly unrelated, are you still interested in the Nil bd?
rufftoon
Jul. 7th, 2009 04:40 pm (UTC)
There are MANY MORE pages of copy pasting.
It can work in short form comics for comedy effect, but not like this, not in long form.
Nil...hmmm...let me think about it, but we could arrange a trade.
fabledquill
Jul. 7th, 2009 01:51 pm (UTC)
Ahahaha, I knew you were talking about that one.
I suppose it is good to know what NOT to do.....
and have something good for CAPS_ATLA to chew on
rufftoon
Jul. 7th, 2009 04:41 pm (UTC)
See? It is good that it exists for lots of little reasons like that.
It's a good conversation- studying piece.
alisa_tana
Jul. 7th, 2009 01:55 pm (UTC)
If I drove, I'd totally offer to pick you up on my way through the bay area...but alas, I failed to get my license in time and will be taking Greyhound myself. And that definitely won't work with all your boxes.
rufftoon
Jul. 7th, 2009 04:49 pm (UTC)
Ha ha, nope! That wouldn't work. But thank you very much for thinking of me :)
Hope the bus trip goes well!
alexds1
Jul. 7th, 2009 01:57 pm (UTC)
Hehe, there's a TophxAang scene that looks like they've been frozen in humping XD
rufftoon
Jul. 7th, 2009 04:43 pm (UTC)
Aang's been frozen in an iceberg for a hundred years before. Not in any compromising position, mind you.
Now I'm reimagining the whole iceberg scene...
tammylee
Jul. 7th, 2009 02:16 pm (UTC)
LOL @ the Twilight/Avatar comic. XD
rufftoon
Jul. 7th, 2009 04:48 pm (UTC)
I'm no fan of Twilight, never read the books, but the sparkling joke is so common that I understand it.
rohantm
Jul. 7th, 2009 04:16 pm (UTC)
I am heading to the convention on Wednesday, Johane, though probably not until afternoon; but there is plenty of room in my car. We can discuss logistics via e-mail if you haven't made other plans.
rufftoon
Jul. 7th, 2009 04:51 pm (UTC)
I'll definitely keep you in mind if my other options fall through. Thank you very very much for your offer!!
ali_wildgoose
Jul. 7th, 2009 04:32 pm (UTC)
Personally, my main problem with that comic (haha artistically anyway, I won't even comment on the content) is how many of the faces and poses have been directly traced from screenshots in the show. Sometimes she choses one iconic enough that it just...kind of slaps me across the face, and then it's hard for me to not wonder how much tracing there is that I just haven't noticed.

Having looked at her other art, she seems to be more of a collage artist than a draftsman. With something like this, that's a slippery damn slope to start down.
rufftoon
Jul. 7th, 2009 04:47 pm (UTC)
Ah yes, the tracing. Too obvious in too may places.
Nothing wrong with being a collage artist.
Just don't use those skills for that type of comic making.
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ladyprophet
Jul. 7th, 2009 04:33 pm (UTC)
I also started to read that. And just as you, at first it seemed as something that could be enjoyed...

But the copy-paste really takes it down.

I also know that this comics does get it share of critic. And I hope the creator get the will improve.

I do love reading fancomics. They often take more time to do then some other things. But are also more enjoyeble, at least to me :-)
rufftoon
Jul. 7th, 2009 04:53 pm (UTC)
Hopefully, some of the crits were constructive and, as you said, the creator will use them to improve.
If it can all turn into a big learning experience, then it's definitely got a good side.
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rufftoon
Jul. 7th, 2009 06:15 pm (UTC)
Let's not forget Booter-Freak.
If someone can be crowned ruler of gag fancomics, I'd give it to Booter.
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