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I'm out for BLOOD!

More specifically, a book editor's blood.



Couple of weeks ago, while building my reference library of egyptian book, I spotted a title that seemed promising on Amazon. Read the description, seemed to tackle a lot of subjects. Alright I think, let's get it!
So I don't know the editor- first though was "oh, this could be a university title, like that other book about the evolution of temple of Karnak that I got".

WRONG!!
It is basically a book scam. Here's how it works.

Let me quote from page 4:
"All texts of this book are extracted from Wikipedia.
...
Please be advised that nothing found here has necessarily been reviewed by people with the expertise required to provide you with complete, accurate or reliable information. Some information in this book maybe (sic) misleading or wrong."

Not only that, but the editors did not even bother removing arrows in the middle of the text, arrows that indicated that the following word used to have an internet link to further articles. It makes for extremely clunky, distracting reading. Imagine reading an entry on "Amun", and every time the name "Amun" appears there's a little arrow.
AUGH!
There are plenty of other little problems with it which I won't get into right now. These are the most obvious.

There is WORSE!
This company is publishing a flood of similar types of books! I've seen the iceberg, not just the tip!
Their formula: Take text from wikipedia as is - print as book form asking for loads of money, run to the bank laughing.

I've sent an email to Amazon, but I get the feeling they won't do a single thing about it.
I'm just afraid people will shell out their hard earned money for this...this...useless waste of paper!

I don't know if copyrights law could do anything about it: these are information taken from an open source. There are no true authors per say.

Here is the book:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/613000608X/ref=ox_ya_oh_product
As mentioned, Alphascript publishing has many many MANY other similar books.

I have to admit, the best mistake I've seen so far is a book supposedly about Georgia (Eastern Europe), with a picture on the cover of Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
HA!!!
http://www.amazon.com/History-Georgia-country-Democratic-Tao-Klarjeti/dp/6130007442/ref=cm_cr-mr-title

There's also a guy leaving positive reviews for these books.
Must be working for that company.

It's a book scam.
Someone is making money out of this.
And I gave them some.
Grrrr.
I've learned my lesson.
I will see them disappear off Amazon!!!

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kyoko215
Jun. 4th, 2009 12:18 am (UTC)
Ugh. Reminds me of this one company who writes "official" "Secrets and mysteries revealed" books for various anime/manga. The "mysteries" they reveal in the books are nothing more than fan speculation and they show no proof to back up their claims. I discovered that when I skimmed through a book for the series Fruits Basket and was appauled by the flat-out LIES the book said. And these things are being sold in Borders!

Not as important as what you're trying to look for, but just as bad a crime. Plus at least your guys put up a disclaimer.
rufftoon
Jun. 4th, 2009 12:21 am (UTC)
The disclaimer is hidden INSIDE the book.
If you go on the books page on Amazon, that warning isn't even there.
So I got had, and I may not be the only one.
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gargoylekitty
Jun. 4th, 2009 12:18 am (UTC)
Wow, that's really messed up.
rufftoon
Jun. 4th, 2009 05:32 am (UTC)
Something thought that would be the way to make a quick buck: use everything written on Wikipedia and printing it!
There's something wrong there.
wodhaund
Jun. 4th, 2009 12:31 am (UTC)
Holy cow, and that's not a cheap "i've been had" either, ouch.

I hope you can at least get your money back. D:
rufftoon
Jun. 4th, 2009 12:33 am (UTC)
I don't think I can. I'm trying to find the right arguments to return it, and right now I just feel like I've been foolishly had, so I got to live with it.
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mrmunkeepants
Jun. 4th, 2009 12:31 am (UTC)
that is total BS, can you return it?
rufftoon
Jun. 4th, 2009 12:33 am (UTC)
Don't think I can.
teacup_werewolf
Jun. 4th, 2009 12:40 am (UTC)
SOunds like something that going to end up at Half-Price books
rufftoon
Jun. 4th, 2009 12:44 am (UTC)
How about 1/50th of the price- that's what it's worth.
Maybe less.
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rufftoon
Jun. 4th, 2009 12:59 am (UTC)
Looked around the office, and found the original box and receipt. I think I can return it. I still have some time left too.
I will try anyway.
Ha ha, interesting to see who leaves good review for this thing. Another somewhat shady publisher.

Edited at 2009-06-04 01:00 am (UTC)
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etrangere
Jun. 4th, 2009 12:51 am (UTC)
that's, like, mind numbingly rage inducing x_x hope you can get a refund and/or Amazon to stop selling it... eeek.
rufftoon
Jun. 4th, 2009 01:01 am (UTC)
Most important, get Amazon to stop selling it.
No one else should buy this &^%#$^!
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jadesfire2
Jun. 4th, 2009 01:05 am (UTC)
feh, on their website it says "We specialize in publishing copyleft projects"

isn't that a nice spin on it? and only 100$!
rufftoon
Jun. 4th, 2009 01:14 am (UTC)
Copyleft? COPYLEFT??
HAHAHA!
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tony_cliff
Jun. 4th, 2009 01:51 am (UTC)
HA HA HA HA ha ha ha, I LOVE this "review":

"this book can really be recommended to impart knowledge of this topic, because it contains different interesting articles."
rufftoon
Jun. 4th, 2009 05:18 am (UTC)
Oh yeah, it's deep.
I may have written a review like that in first grade.
leoprincess
Jun. 4th, 2009 02:39 am (UTC)
That is effed up. O_O I've shopped for books and other items on Amazon before but, thankfully, have never encountered such underhanded scams. Guess we'll both have to be extra vigilant from here on out.

Sorry you got ripped, though. If Amazon has any good business sense, they'll clamp down on this and other shady practises right away.
rufftoon
Jun. 4th, 2009 05:21 am (UTC)
Learned my lesson alright: I'll always make a search for the editor first.
youkaislayer
Jun. 4th, 2009 02:51 am (UTC)
Wow. I almost can't even fathom that this happened. All this time I've had it drilled in my head by teachers in high school and college to cite sources of reference and the consequences that would certainly arise if I didn't. I had gotten the impression from those lectures that such things as you described didn't happen in the professional publishing world. I was naive.
rufftoon
Jun. 4th, 2009 05:23 am (UTC)
I got had by force of habit. I shopped quite a few good books on Amazon that were University presses and well written, and I didn't take the right amount of time to check this book out.
Heh, if there's a quick buck to be made out there, this company is trying it!
ndgmtlcd
Jun. 4th, 2009 03:42 am (UTC)
Now this is interesting. The same trio of "editors" given as persons responsible for your book are also jointly responsible for exactly 786 other "books" available on Amazon.

Amazon also tells us who are the biggest suckers here. All you have to do is sort by "bestselling" for those totally worthless 787 books.

Unfortunately, after a few searches with "John McBrewster" and a few relevant Wikipedia article titles, it seems that McBrewster and his merry gang have kept away from the biggest of the articles I authored and co-authored in there over the past six years.

That means that I can't send a nice personal letter to the Amazon legal dept explaining that copyleft absolutely does not mean that the author gives away all rights. In fact copyleft means that the authors have some extremely well defined rights as to how their work is treated and how their authorship is presented. In other words, how metadata pertaining to my co-authroship is presented or not. My LJ isn't called "bad metadata" for nothing.

If you know anyone who's been writing up things in Wikipedia over the years, please go tell them about this 787 book list.
rufftoon
Jun. 4th, 2009 05:27 am (UTC)
Maybe it's only a question of time before one of your article is lifted out of Wikipedia and used in one of those books.
They seem to be touching all subjects out there.
It could be interesting to let authors on wikipedia know that their free entry is serving someone else to make a quick buck.
I can understand how an article could be changed by other authors, but still...there's something wrong here.
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(Anonymous)
Jun. 4th, 2009 07:25 am (UTC)
Oh my..that's quite bad! Imagine if they're going to do something like that also with arts found on the web..it could be really really unpleasant è_é

Roby
rufftoon
Jun. 4th, 2009 07:31 am (UTC)
That could be the next step, who knows? Might give some other editors that idea.
zfiledh
Jun. 4th, 2009 08:42 am (UTC)
EXTERMINATE!
EXTERMINATE!
egoulet
Jun. 4th, 2009 01:12 pm (UTC)
O_O!!!

Wow! It's so insulting to know someone would event think about doing that...publishing crap like this...

Hope you're able to get your money back...or at least that Amazon will listen to you and stop selling these books on their website!

Thanks for the warning !
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